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Ancestors of Miles Hochstein (Great Grandmother)

Ida Katherine (Stobernack) Schmidt
b. 1857 in Hannibal, Missouri,
d. 1932 in Hannibal, Missouri

"Mother would have had more self confidence if she had gone further in school."

So wrote Bertha Grace Schmidt of her mother, Ida.

Daughter of John Stobernack (b. 1820 Berlin(?), d. 1871, Hannibal, Missouri) and Karoline Friederike (nee Sandow) Stobernack (b. 1824 Berlin(?), d. 1873 Hannibal, Missouri).

One of six siblings, including

1. Julius Gustav Stobernack, christened 17 Nov. 1850 at Sankt Petri (St. Peter (?)), Berlin Stadt, Brandenburg, Preussen. Probably died before immigration to US. (LDS Records)

2. Otto Wilhelm, christened 31 May, 1852. Probably died before immigration to U.S. (LDS Records)

3. Anna Theresa Stobernack (b. circa 1854, in Belgium, christening on 15 January 1854 at Friedrickswerder, Berlin, Brandenburg, Preussen. (LDS records)

4. Herself, Ida Catherine Stobernack (b. circa 1857, in U.S.)

5. Bertha Stobernack (b. circa 1860, in Hannibal Missouri)

6. Emma Elizabeth Stobernack (b. in U.S.)

Wife of William Adolphus Schmidt (b 1854, in St. Charles Missouri, d 1899 in Hannibal Missouri).

Mother of Bertha Grace Schmidt (1883-1975), Rowena Smith Carpenter (1893-1975), Ama S. Jackson, and Ralph Schmidt.

 

Above: Inscription on back reads: "Ida Stobernack Schmidt (ca. 1875) mother of Bertha Schmidt Smith) Hannibal Mo."

A Remarkable Image

Bertha (Schmidt) Smith, Ida's daughter wrote to her daughter Gianna:

"My mother's father [John Stobernack] died when she [Ida] was 14 and her mother when she was 16. She was the oldest of the three girls. They went to live in the home of their guardian, John England, occupying the second floor. Their parents had accumulated a little property and left some insurance.

"Aunt Bertha and Aunt Emma went away to normal school but Mr. England didn't think it was necessary for her [Ida] to go. That was a mistake. Mother would have had more self confidence if she had gone further in school."


Left: Bertha Schmidt identifies the woman above as "Momma", ie. Ida Stobernack Schmidt. I think this is a striking picture, so different from the others. She looks so alive and vibrant. Look at the pose she strikes, note the hand in the pocket. This is not the sad old lady that my mother recalls, or the woman who lacks confidence in the memory of her daughter Bertha. (See complete photo on Bertha Schmidt's page.)


The two sisters, Ida Stobernack and Emma Elizabeth (aka Emme Lee or Emily) Stobernack married two brothers, respectively, W. Adolphus Schmidt and Edward Carl Schmidt.   


Above: Undated Portrait of Ida Stobernack

Above: Tin type, false color image. Inscription on back reads "Ida Stobernack Schmidt, Hannibal, Missouri"

 

My mother Gianna Hochstein recalls being doted upon by her grandmother Ida. In my mother's memory, at one point, there was a dispute between Gianna's grandmother Ida (above) and her mother (Bertha). Apparently, Ida gave my mother some candy, but her mother Bertha did not approve. Bertha "resented intrusion" in her life by her mother, said my mother. This was one of the few, if not the only time that my mother met her grandmother Ida.

Clearly my mother disproved of her mother's resentment of her own mother, and saw her mother as excessively concerned to prevent "interference" in her child raising.


In 1880 the US Census found that Ida (Stobernack) Schmidt (age 22) was Keeping House and married to Adolph Schmidt, a 25 year old clerk with the Hannibal and St. John Railroad. Also living with the couple in Hannibal, Marion county, Missouri, was Ida's sister Emma Stobernack (age 16).

The letter below is from "Aunt Bertha" to a nephew named Edward. A letter from Bertha Smith (grandmother of Miles Hochstein) to daughter Gianna reports that Bertha Adelheida Stobernack [was a] teacher and principal of a district school in Hannibal, died April 12 1946"

Ginger Nowling also found an identical version of the letter below in her family effects. Ginger explains that

"This was written to Edward Schmidt - son of Emma and Edward Carl. He was very young when his parents died and was legally adopted by Bertha at six years old. We have quite a bit of his personal effects (pictures, etc.) that came to us through my Great Uncle when he discovered we were doing family history research."

Hannibal, Mo.
6/5/41

Dear Edward:

Your letter received. Your mother's father [John Stobernack, MH] died in this city 1870. Your mother's mother [Catherine (Sando) Stobernack? MH] died in this city 1873. Came from Europe with one baby. Their other six children were born in this city. All gone but myself. Know nothing about their marriage date. Anyway it was more than 100 years ago. Our parents died when the remaining three were children. I am 81 - know nothing about family genealogy, leave out Europe if you want to but it's no disgrace to have left there during an uprising revolution about 100 years ago. Glad my parents did come long before their family of children were born.

Lovingly,
Aunt Bertha (Stobernack)

P.S. My parents (that would be John Stobernack and wife - MH) came from Cincinnati to Hannibal and lived there all the rest of their lives. That is all I can tell you so you can say "American born", because they were A. That's what I told you about your paternal grandparents because I knew nothing else. None of the ancestors will ever come back to make any trouble.

 

Above: Ida Stobernack Schmidt and her granddaughter Gianna (circa 1932?), on one of the few visits she made prior to her death. Note how very small Ida was. When her husband Dolph wrote to his "darling little Ida" he wasn't just using an endearment - she was tiny!


The Edward referred to on the left is the son Emma (nee Stobernack) Schmidt and Edward Carl Schmidt (source G. Nowling, communicaiton Jan 30 2002)

If one reads the letter in the context of June 1941 and the looming war in Europe with Germany it would appear that "Edward" was attempting to establish whether his parents were "American born" and his Aunt Bertha is assuring him that they were. I assume that she means by "died when the remaining three were children", that three children still remained still living at home when Katherine and John Stobernack died, Bertha, Emma and my ancestor Ida Stobernack Schmidt, as is also known from the previous quotation.

I had to read the above letter several times to grasp that she is saying "don't be ashamed about being an immigrant from Europe...your family had a good excuse! And I'm glad they came before the children were born." (Because that was easier for them? Because that meant they were born Americans? Difficult to say what she means.)

It is difficult to say what proportions of xenophobia, patriotism and wit are intended by this crusty 81 year old woman's words, but she sounds like an interesting character.

Bertha Stobernack, known from various sources to have been a school principal, is mentioned specifically in Hagood and Hagood's The Story of Hannibal, (p. 166, 1976) as one of Hannibal's school principals in 1923.

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"None of the ancestors will ever come back to make any trouble." said Bertha Stobernack (Sister of Ida) in June 1941. Yes, but she clearly didn't know the trouble that genealogical research can cause.

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1880 Census

As noted above, Ida and her sisters went to live with their guardian, Mr. John England upon their parents' deaths in 1871 or 1873.

By 1880 Ida, 22, had married (see above) and Ida's sister Emma 16 lived with them.

The other sister Bertha (see letter above) had gone on to school, and would not (it appears) marry, but instead became a school teacher and administrator in Hannibal.

They no longer resided with Mr. John England, but here is the census data for Mr. John England of Hannibal, Missouri in 1880, in whose house they had resided a few years previously.

John England was a German born wagon maker, age 45, married to Jacobina (38, also German born), with a 15 year old daughter, a 13 year old son, and five year old daughter. A niece of Jacobina, from "WERT", age 13, also resided in the household.

Somewhere I THINK I read that one of the England children remained in contact with Ida or to her daughter (my grandmother) Bertha. This was probably in Bertha's letters.

 

 

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revised March 2006

Notes

Portrait and Biographical Record of Ralls, Pike and Marion Counties (886 pages) pub. CC Owen Co. Chicago 1895. Revised and Repreinted by Ralls Co. Book Co. New London MO, 1982, out of print.)

4 TEXT Extract: 1880 United States Census
5 CONT Census Place: Hannibal, Marion, Missouri
5 CONT Source: FHL Film 1254702; National Archives Film T9-0702; Page 294B
5 CONT Household:
5 CONT Rel Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace
5 CONT John ENGLAND
5 CONT Self Male M W 45 GER
5 CONT Occ: Wagon Maker Fa: GER Mo: GER
5 CONT Jacobina ENGLAND
5 CONT Wife Female M W 38 WERT
5 CONT Occ: Keeping House Fa: WERT Mo: WERT
5 CONT Kate ENGLAND
5 CONT Dau Female S W 15 MO
5 CONT Occ: At Home Fa: GER Mo: WERT
5 CONT Henry ENGLAND
5 CONT Son Male S W 13 MO
5 CONT Fa: GER Mo: GER
5 CONT Ida ENGLAND
5 CONT Dau Female S W 5 MO
5 CONT Fa: GER Mo: GER
5 CONT Agnes LANG
5 CONT Niece Female S W 13 PA
5 CONT Fa: WERT Mo: WERT
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